The hypocrisy of Freedom


It’s become wildly hypocritical; It’s largely based on out dated tradition; It’s horribly fickle; and it has no coherence or general moral standing. I’m speaking of course, about the Republican idea of “Freedom“. Freedom appears to only apply when it suits Republican America. Republican Freedom is a skewed, manipulated form of the ideals of American Freedom in general. For example, and i’ve spoke about this one before; The Freedom to own a gun whether you’re merely a law abiding huntsman, or whether you’re a 21 year old with an enraged grudge against class mates and teachers; you’re protected by a 2nd Amendment that clearly didn’t expect to be the subject of debate. Although i’m certain Jefferson and Franklin didn’t propose that anyone should be allowed to keep an arsenal of sub machine guns; that the words “well regulated” in the 2nd Amendment shouldn’t be ignored. If I were President, i’d make bullets ten times more expensive than they are now, tax them massively. But what do I know.

Freedom is etched into the American way of thinking. Since the very beginning, the fight that America has undertook has been one dedicated to freeing it’s people from tyranny. “We hold these truths to be self evident; that all men are created equal” cries the Declaration of Independence. There is no mistaking that Thomas Jefferson composed a beautifully written document when he drafted the Declaration. Of course, it hasn’t troubled America that the term “all men are created equal” written at a time when even Jefferson had over 150 slaves of which many received regular beatings may have been slightly ironic. And so the hypocrisy of American Freedom was born. Frederick Douglas speaking in 1852 managed to reconcile America Freedom and the abolition of Slavery quite beautifully. “That which is inhuman cannot be divine.

In 2009, Republicans appear to take that general level of “Freedom Hypocrisy” to a new level. Freedom today, appears to apply only to economic freedom, for those who already have a significant amount of money. Bloggers like Free America appear to be under the impression that Obama and Pelosi are systematically working to purposely destroy America with their pesky much needed Liberal policies, despite the fact that over the past eight years America has been involved in an unjust illegal war leading to the deaths of over 1,000,000 innocent people; displacement of a further 4.5 million and 5 million orphaned children. Hurricane Katrina striking New Orleans saw the end of the lives of over 1,800 people whilst 80% of the City was flooded, which lead to further deaths of many people who merely couldn’t get to food or shelter because the Republican Government’s response was pathetic at best and ignorantly genocidal at worst. Then of course, you have the worst economic crises in ….well…. ever. When Clinton left the White House, he left a budget surplus of over $230bn. Eight years later, eight years of Republican Government, and America is in the mist of an economic crises. Of course, Republicans like to suggest that Clinton’s surplus was inherited from the Reagan tax cuts. Fine. But then, surely they must admit that Obama therefore inherited a miserable legacy that it will take more than two months to correct. I swear, Obama was in the White House less than a day before Republicans started blaming him.

Anyway, back to “freedom”. Whilst the word itself connotes the ultimate in human existence, it isn’t quite as black and white in Republican America. It suits Republican America to ascribe Freedom to economics. To pay as little in the way of taxation as possible. Whilst a child may inherit a few million dollars, another may be unlucky enough to be one of the 35 million Americans who inherit nothing but the dilapidated and forgotten poverty stricken lifestyles encouraged by poor educational standards and lack of health care, that the Republican Americans are quick to suggest is some sort of perfect system choosing to ignore that “all men are created equally” when it suits them. To this day, at 23 years old, i’m struggling to understand how a system that allows the poverty line for children under 18 to increase from 12.1 million, to 12.9 million between 2001 and 2003; yet at the same time allows those earning over $1,000,000 see their taxes drop with the Bush Tax Cuts, as the mark of a great economic system…. it quite clearly isn’t. I repeat Douglas’ sentiment “That which is inhuman cannot be divine.” Ignoring the plight of those in poverty or dismissing them as “lazy“, whilst simultaneously choosing to ignore the problem of Climate Change despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary – purely because it might affect their “freedom” to exploit resources for business opportunity, is not real “freedom“.

Freedom to claim that universal healthcare, is some evil socialist manifestation that never works, whilst ignoring that you have universal policing and universal fire protection – just adds to the hypocrisy of “freedom” that Republican America only clings to when it threatens them, regardless of the fact that it may actually help other people. A legacy of “self before others” left by Thatcher and Reagan. Forgive me for not buying into it.

I’m not too sure why Republicans chose to draw the line on personal freedom, at the right for Homosexuals to get married. All of a sudden Republicans have decided that Gay people are sexually immoral devils, promiscuous by nature, AIDs ridden, unable to keep a relationship going, and a danger to children. As if that only exists in the homosexual community. They chose often to quote Leviticus 18:22; “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” As proof that God hates gays and so gays shouldn’t marry. They fail however to acknowledge that if we’re to take the Old Testament into consideration when debating such issues, we must conclude that Leviticus 11:8 with regard to pig skin, stating: “Their flesh you shall not eat, and their dead bodies you shall not touch; they are unclean for you” should mean that anyone who plays American Football, is doomed to hell, a long with gay people. But of course not, because in true Republican fashion, Leviticus 11:8 doesn’t appeal to them because it threatens their life style, and so they pick and chose which areas of the Bible appeal to their prejudices already.

Of course, whilst talking Christianity, it isn’t difficult to come to the conclusion that if God truly did support the Republicans, as ex Senator Norm Coleman suggested, when he told Mike Gallagher; “God wants me to serve“, then you can bet that Jesus would have charged a fortune for all those free EVIL SOCIALIST miracles he supposedly performed.

When you come to the conclusion that Republicans only appear to support ideas like “Freedom” and Religious belief when it suits their prejudices, you have to take a look at the “Pro-life” lobby. “Pro Life” only seems to appeal to Republicans when someone is set to have an abortion. When the Country is destroying a Nation and killing over 1,000,000 of it’s citizens, Republicans don’t seem all that concerned. When stem cell research could lead to the scientists providing mankind with a better understanding of complex cell division, which in turn could lead to life saving treatments and cures…. real pro-life investments….. Republicans tend to oppose it. Minority Leader John Boehner even went so far as to suggest that embryonic stem cells are American lives too, rather than cells. He suggested that Obama lifting the ban on federal funding for Stem Cell research, he had “rolled back important protections for innocent life”. It’s nice to see that Boehner has such deep concern over cells, yet doesn’t seem too fussed about the loss of American military lives, when he stated in 2007 that dead U.S Troops was a “small price” to pay to win the war in Iraq.

The concept of freedom is interestingly two toned, when you contrast the U.S obsession with the word, and how the U.S works across the World, especially with Nations that it disagrees with philosophically.
According to a speech made by Dan Griswold, to Rice University in Houston, in 2005…. “If the goal of U.S. policy toward Cuba is to help its people achieve freedom and a better life, the economic embargo has completely failed. Its economic effect is to make the people of Cuba worse off by depriving them of lower-cost food and other goods that could be bought from the United States. It means less independence for Cuban workers and entrepreneurs, who could be earning dollars from American tourists and fueling private-sector growth. Meanwhile, Castro and his ruling elite enjoy a comfortable, insulated lifestyle by extracting any meager surplus produced by their captive subjects.
The underlying fact is that whilst America seeks “freedom” (in this case, freedom means the right of American businesses to take over the resources and land of as much of the foreign World as possible) across the World based on it’s own flawed values, it will attempt to achieve it by any means necessary, which explains the disastrous war in Iraq and the inhumane embargo against Cuba. As shown in my last blog, America’s economic dominance may not continue for that much longer, given that Iran have already ceased trading oil in U.S dollars with Russia looking likely to follow.

Economic “freedom” in the guise of pure Capitalism, is not to be considered in the same area as Freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, freedom to assemble peacefully. Those are the inalienable rights built into the Declaration of Independence, not the idea that over 12 million children below the poverty line who will never benefit from the resources available to the 5% of top earners who own more than 50% of the entire Wealth of the Nation, as being true “freedom”.

American Freedom, whilst a lovely idea, is horribly flawed, ignorant, racist, inhumane, discriminatory, religiously bias, hypocritical, manipulative, and has been twisted into the skewed mess that Republican America holds so dear today. The idea that “all men are created equal” is a sentiment long lost. If you’re gay, want an abortion, demand action on climate change, or support stem cell research……. freedom doesn’t seem to extend as far as you. Sorry.

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44 Responses to The hypocrisy of Freedom

  1. mike00000000001 says:

    Ok, lets talk about all the unborn children. I think we need to focus less on freedome in general and more on the type of freedome we are supposed to have. If the government could do whatever it wanted after all . . we would not be free. You say Bush’s war is unjust . . I generally disagree because Bush tried to establish a republic in Iraq. Let me put this to you . . .

    I want the freedom to have my religion and earn a living. I want everyone to have this freedome. At the same time . . I don’t want to live in a society where I am surrounded by drugs, sex, violence, murder, theft, or vandalism. I don’t see this as hypocrasy as I actualy do consistently want both.

    In other words a really truly peaceful society does not have UNLIMITED freedom. It has enough freedom for people to peacefully coexist with their various beliefs about God and nature and life. But its freedom does not go so far as to allow its citizens to destroy the very fabric of society by sexual misconduct, porn, drugs, theft or wealth redistribution whichever you want to call it, vandalism, and tresspassing. I think any religion that allows society to self distruct in this manner with sex, drugs ect SHOULD be banned.

    If you want to worship Budha, go ahead. If you don’t believe there is a God, fine. If you practice yoga or meditation, thats your right to do under the law. But if you are going to kill unborn children, put porn in the public square, or stop people from praying in school . . then your world veiw has no real place in civilized society.

  2. mike00000000001 says:

    freedom to worship or not worship does not extend to sexual misconduct, murder, theft, porn, vandalism ,or tresspassing or anything that can for that matter be considered criminal activity in the classic sense.

    abortion is murder. check
    wealth redistribution is theft. check
    gay porn or any porn is porn. check
    acts of terrorism are acts of murder. check

    freedom also does not extend to preventing people from doing things that are NOT criminal . . . such as praying or chosing not to pray.

    I hope this clears things up. Its not hypocrisy. Its one great big misunderstanding.

  3. mike00000000001 says:

    lets wright a new declaration to clarify the matter. We can call it the republican declaration of freedom. Ill try to summerize it here.

    Everyone shall have the right to practice their own religion or practice no religion at all if they so choose as long as they don’t . . . (1) try to stop prayer (2) try to stop church or temple sermons or worship(3) try to put an end to temples (4) try to stop certain peaceful religious ceremonies (5) commit murder such as in abortion (6) tresspass (7) vandalize (8) steal things.

    You get the picture. Freedome within the limits of not being a criminal!!!

  4. mike00000000001 says:

    abortion is simply a unique criminal form of murder. Nevertheless . . its murder.

  5. mike00000000001 says:

    porn is of course the begining of woes for what the law calls sexual offenses. I have thought about giving gays the right to marry . . . but this gets dangerous because it falls within sexual misconduct. Any kind of misconduct like that can and has been harmful to society.

  6. mike00000000001 says:

    excessive taxation is like extortion of theft. enough said on that one.

  7. mike00000000001 says:

    At least you people haven’t started legalizing vandalism. I thank God for that blessing.

  8. Could you not have wrote all that in one comment?

    Can I not legalise Vandalism? It’s the only thing in the World that you haven’t banned whilst claiming to be doing it for “freedome”?

    “You say Bush’s war is unjust . . I generally disagree because Bush tried to establish a republic in Iraq.”
    - And so you’ve decided that George Bush had the right to decide that 1,000,000 deaths was worth it in the end? Where was their freedom not to die? You cannot be suggesting that if Bush wants to change your way of governance, he has the right to invade you? Since when did America become the Roman Empire?

    “I have thought about giving gays the right to marry . . . but this gets dangerous because it falls within sexual misconduct.”
    - Who decided that homosexuality was sexual misconduct? What are you basing that on? Religious belief? Surely it is more unnatural, for someone who is gay, to have to pretend otherwise, to suit a bigot who thinks they’re dangerous otherwise?

    “excessive taxation is like extortion of theft. enough said on that one.”
    - No it isn’t. What happens if you’ve inherited a fortune? Surely, by your logic, you’re stealing too? Because you have no worked for that money. If someone else is able to live, because the food i’ve been able to buy them, i’ve taken the money that another person was going to use to buy a new yacht – then I can cope with a Republican complaining that it’s theft. Society values your talent. That’s why you have the money that you have. You were lucky to be born in the West. Surely the fact that an entire Continent over in Africa is losing millions of citizens to disease and hunger every year, is robbing those people of their futures, all because us in the West might want to buy a new TV soon and it’d be “theft” otherwise.

    “abortion is simply a unique criminal form of murder. Nevertheless . . its murder.”
    - Again, no it isn’t. Religion might tell you that life begins at conception, but science tells you it doesn’t. Unless, in your skewed description of what you appear to call “freedome” – it’s only free if it’s Christian, then yes. But in the real World, no.
    You’re all for freedom, until a woman wants an abortion, then you’re more than happy to tell her that her womb is no longer hers.

    “gay porn or any porn is porn. check”
    - No shit. That’s not really an argument is it? And Porn is great!

    Can we add to your ridiculous declaration that children should therefore be taught all religious views, including Atheism, before they decide who they want to pray too, instead of schools just forcing them to be Christian without exposing them to any other World view?

    It is not free to force people to be, how a bigoted Republican American expects you to be. You’ve based your entire argument on the fact that you think the Republican World view is the correct World view and therefore is the only real freedom. To you, a person who blows themselves up is a terrorist. (To me, that’s a terrorist too before you suggest otherwise). But to someone living in Iraq, an American soldier who has just killed one of their family and raided their home, is a terrorist.

    Freedom, is allowing people to be who they are, to allow them to live the life they choose to live. If they’re hetrosexual, homosexual, a transexual, watch porn (which is no more detrimental to society than watching crap TV shows, dreadful Hollywood films, a Sarah Palin speech or Nascar), it doesn’t matter. As long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else, it doesn’t matter. I reject your Republican World view because it’s bigoted, it excludes anyone who doesn’t fit into what you consider to be decent and correct, and it’s above all, wrong.

  9. patriot3320 says:

    THX for your comment on http://www.Thetaxpayerteaparty.com but your wrong dude. This is a US Conservative thing goin down BIGTIME. Check out what the Dept. of Homeland Security just put out in last few days. Very chilling. Next they’ll be coming after YOU, New World Order guy.
    Patriot3320

  10. penguindust says:

    The best part – and by “best” I mean “worst” – part of the hypocrisy of the Republican party is that they claim to be so “pro-life” when it comes to abortion, yet their party platform also supports the DEATH penalty and, as you pointed out, virtually no restrictions on guns. I completely fail to understand how they reconcile this shit.

    Also, we have this little thing in America called “separation of church and state,” which Republicans are totally in favor of if it’ll keep dangerous a-rab ideas away from schoolkids, but they don’t make the distinction when you go on to explain that it also isn’t OK to let their christian ideas of morality dictate legislation.

    Stephen Colbert put it very well the other night(paraphrasing): you think fetuses are people. And you think people have the right to bear arms. What about fetus’ gun rights?

    These people are always so shocked when you take their arguments to the totally logical, yet completely ridiculous conclusion.

  11. themadjewess says:

    Well, get the FUCK out of AMERICA if you hate freedom, GET OUT.

  12. Thank goodness i’ve become a Republican for a week.
    It allows me to see that Penguindust puts together an argument……themadjewess just blows it out of the water with her well thought out logic and reason.

  13. themadjewess says:

    And stupid little SHIT FOR BRAINS penguin:
    INNOCENT LIVES- 8 1/2 MONTH OLD DECAPITATION OF BABIES YOU FUCKING MURDERING BITCH.

    Sean Sellers on DEATH ROW who became BORN AGAIN, when asked “Do you believe you should be out on parole, sir?”

    Sellers replied:
    “NO, I am going to pay for my debt to society.”
    Right ON.

    THERE IS PUNISHMENT FOR EVIL YOU STUPID LITTLE FUCKING MORONIC *KIDS*

    YOU needed BIGTIME SPANKINGS that you didnt GET, and thats too fucking bad for the REST of us that are OLDER AND WISER then you sorry ass little FUCKERS.

  14. YES! I agree WITH themadjewess. She’s RIGHT you KNOW.
    SPANKINGS is what you ALL need. YOU SORRY ass little FUCKERS she speaks off, DONT even know THAT using block CAPITALS randomly is the TRUE AMERICAN way!!!!

  15. themadjewess says:

    And you stupid little FUCKING PUTZ:
    WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT I WAS EVER A REPUB??
    I AM AN AMERICAN- THE DEMS ARE FUCKING TRAITORS, THE REPUBS ARE TRAITORS, and you are TOTALLY INDOCTRINATED to believe that our ONCE great nation is the PITS.
    QUESTION AUTHORITY. WHY DID YOU NOT QUESTION THOSE THAT WERE TEACHING YOU THIS TOUCHY FEELIE SHIT??? WHY DID YOU NOT QUESTION WHY YOUR COUNTRY IS SO FUCKED UP??
    BECAUSE THEY BRAINWASHED YOUR ASS. And YES, YOU NEED SPANKINGS.
    Dr. Spock the EVIL shit who wrote the Book about Babies and child care went to his grave saying:
    I WAS WRONG! SPANK THE LITTLE BASTARDS.

  16. YES! I agree! I’M INDOCTRINATED! Only an ILLITERATE American like YOURSELF can SAVE ME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
    OUR COUNTRY is so FUCKED UP. I LOOK OUT the WINDOW all I see are GAYS AND MUSLIMS it’s the BEGINNING OF the END. WE NEED YOU! AND WE NEED JESUS!

  17. themadjewess says:

    Do youself a FAVOR:
    Go to a nursing home, find a person that is still very coherent. Ask THEM: WHAT IS AMERICA, what is it about AMERICA that made it great. Ask the OLDER person that paved the WAY for YOU:
    Why did children get spanked?
    What were the kids like in school?
    What did the music of WWII do to you?
    What did you eat on Sunday for dinner?
    Were stores closed on Sundays?
    Ask THEM these questions.
    YOU WILL GET THE TRUTH.
    You will SEE what the fuckers in the universities and schools have done to you, you will FINALLY have the chain in the link.

  18. BUT WHAT if those OLD PEOPLE asked the OLD people who CAME BEFORE them WHAT MADE america GREAT. Wouldn’t SOME OF them say “SLAVERY”

    Times MOVE ON. THINGS CHANGE. The OLDER GENERATION isn’t ALWAYS RIGHT. (They voted for NIXON and BUSH for fuck sake)

    WHY would I ASK what they HAVE FOR Sunday DINNER?

  19. themadjewess says:

    Just do what I ask, you will ALSO be ENRAGED at what has happened. Go look at their HEARTS in their faces when they sing God Bless America.
    Slavery is from the 1860′s. IT IS OLD, this is PUSHED ON YOU. It is OVERDONE.
    No, Nixon was NO Bush, as bad as he ALSO was, he was NO BUSH.
    Go talk to older people- you need the TRUTH.
    And yes, ask them WHY things were closed on Sunday, and WHAT did they have Sunday for Dinner- the answer will shock you, because it was a part of our culture.
    Johnson was BAD, Nixon?? NOTHING on Johnson.

  20. themadjewess says:

    Stop arguing, and just go do it- you need the TRUTH, you are YOUNG, you have a RIGHT to know what has happened to your generation.
    YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO know.

  21. My GRANDPARENTS are ATHEIST. IS that ok?

  22. themadjewess says:

    It is nothing to go and just make a day and talk to older people, they deserve it anyway- DONT TAKE anything I say, just go talk with them, YOU HAVE A RIGHT to know the things that have happened that have turned you kids world UPSIDE DOWN.

  23. I AGREE!
    KIDS today with THEIR SKATEBOARDS and xBOX.
    IT isn’t LIKE IT was in our grandparents day. WHEN YOU could stop a BLACK PERSON sitting on the SAME bus as YOU. THOSE were the DAYS!

  24. themadjewess says:

    You wont ever learn.
    We didnt do THAT in NYC. Talk with the DEEP SOUTH about that CRAP.
    Worried about black people while your own people are being pushed out to pasture?? They aren’t worried about you.
    Northerners FOUGHT the SOUTH so that black people could be FREE.
    THAT is NOT your history, learn your OWN.
    Up north, we have done anything and EVERYTHING for ALL people.
    You are judgemental.
    You are BIASED.
    YOU are NOT willing to REALLY look on the other side of the fence, just what you ‘deem as Republican’
    Go look at the signs on Youtube, WE ALL HATE THE REPUBLICANS TOO.
    Sorry, KID, racism is now YOUR best friend. You are the RACIST, but whats bad, is that you are against your OWN, for no cause.
    “White/anglo-saxons” have NOBODY to speak up for THEM now, they are being PUSHED OUT of jobs in their OWN country, and you are part of the problem, you are all closed up and totally indoctrinated.

  25. IT’S TRUUUUUE
    LONDON recently changed IT’S NAME to LONDONSTAN! OH the shame!!!

  26. themadjewess says:

    I really dont think thats funny.
    One of my clints got raped in London by a Pakistani Muslim Jihadist.
    Doesnt bother you does it??
    Does it bother you AT ALL that women in Afghanistan now will become subjects of rape- and it will be LAW.
    And it will be here too, and you are too stupid and blind to SEE that this is a very real threat.
    Go and challenge your poor brainwashed head:
    Sweden, Denmark, UK, Spain, France..
    Tell me their happiness there with the “Peaceful Muslims”
    Bush the damned TRAITOR who called this religion a religion of ‘peace’
    Go look up the 1803 Shores of Tripoli/ US MARINES and find out our OWN history with the barbaric Muslims.
    Go look up General John Pershing Phillipines and Muslims.
    Go look up Churchhill and his quotes on Islam in 1899.
    Go look up the Ottoman Empire, and how the Muslims were in charge of most EU for over 400 years.

  27. themadjewess says:

    Kid, you are playing with a big player, come back and debate in say, 10 years. Bye ;)

  28. themadjewess says:

    oh, as in..this is NOT LITTLE LEAGUE.
    I play in the MAJORS.
    I know my history, and you little unfortunate soul WERE NOT TAUGHT IT.

  29. Yousaidwhat? says:

    Ah the well known “I’m older and therefore wiser than you” argument. What next the “My dad’s bigger than yours” ?

  30. BOMB THE MIDDLE EAST!!!

    America HAS the moral HIGH GROUND what with KILLING thousands of innocent IRAQI’S including CHILDREN. What WITH being the only COUNTRY to have NUKED another.
    WHAT with signing Unilateral TRADE DEALS that only BENEFIT America and actually HARM the poorer Nations.
    EXPLOITATION AND MURDER BY AMERICA IS THE WAY FORWARD!

    GO TEAM AMERICA!

  31. So far, she’s pretty much said…
    Everything was great in the olden days.
    All muslims are evil rapists and terrorists.
    All younger people are misinformed and idiots.

    GO TEAM AMERICA!

  32. themadjewess says:

    futile, I gave you PLENTY of things to look up, but you are not PROgressive..
    You are in actuality REgressive.
    You do NOT have an open mind or heart, I also told you I was older than you, and yes, unfortunate for you, older is wiser, and more experienced. I had a restaurant, I NEVER hired people WITHOUT experience. Same angle.
    Everything WAS better 30/40 years ago, but you were not here, so it is IMPOSSIBLE that you would know what I am talking about.
    You offered NO solution or reasoning to understand where YOU are coming from, but I gave you many for ‘ie’s’
    I gave you more than enough information to READ, but you chose not to,because YOUR history is NOT important.
    I even gave the benefit of the doubt to look up history without my assistance..but then again, what can I expect a dumbass kid that they have indoctrinated so badly that he does not know about a little thing like Chicken on Sunday.

  33. YES! Thirty years ago we experienced the Winter of Discontent in which people working in morgues went on strike and bodies piled up outside funeral homes.
    Dustbin men went on strike, so rubbish started piling up in streets, which led to the government being brought down, which led to Thatcherism which led to my family losing our business and our home.

    Of course, forty years ago in America, you had race riots sweeping the country, the Vietnam War in which you lost miserably, within a decade JFK killed, RFK killed, Martin Luther King Jr killed, Malcolm X killed. Cuban missile crises almost leading to nuclear war. CIA start testing drugs on unsuspecting victims. Life expectancy for males was 66, for females it was 73… today for males it’s 75 and females it’s 80. Living longer must be fucking annoying! Black children had to accept that they weren’t good enough to go to school with white children, or sit on the same bus as white children.
    Then the 1970s – still vietnam war, watergate, race riots (including new jersey, new york, washington DC aswell in London), the oil crises which lead to the first example of economic staflation, the worst period of economic performance since the great depression – inflation hitting 13.3% in 1979, interest hates at 12% which was unprecedented. America supporting Pinochet, which leads to the deaths of huge numbers of people.

    But being a dumbass kid, I thought all of the above was pretty bad. When will I learn? EVERYTHING WAS BETTER 30/40 YEARS AGO!

  34. themadjewess says:

    Of course, forty years ago in America, you had race riots sweeping the country

    Who did that??
    Who started that riots at Berkeley??
    LEFTISTS.
    Who started the RIOTS with the Vietnam war KID?
    LEFTISTS.
    The whole ‘racial issue’ YOU need a SOUTHERNER, because there was NO such thing in the NORTH where I am FROM.
    Even MLK said that he LOVED being up NORTH, so, sorry I cant relate to that argument.

    As far as living long etc.. I am talking about CULTURE and DECENCY- you are REgressive, because YOUR ways bring us BACK to CAVEMAN society where there are NO morals, decay, even gladiators, beastiality, sexual indecency, orgies..
    I could go on with the things that are “OK” to YOU, but there is NO debate, you are NOT open..
    Yes it is GOOD that people live longer, so what does THAT have to do with borders, LANGUAGE and CULTURE??
    Again:
    I did NOT live in a place that treated people LESS THEN- your beef regarding black/white segregation; you need a SOUTHERNER.
    Northerners did NOT do that, so, you have no issue there with me, that is a debate that you need a SOUTHERNER.
    Kennedy was ASSASINATED, that happens, has NOTHING to do with CULTURE and AMERICA.

  35. Ahahaha, ok so just because you didn’t experience it, that means i can’t use it to prove that not everything wasn’t rosy as you’re suggesting?
    Who cares who started the race riots? They still happened, and that’s my point.
    And the Lefties were right to start them.

    You’re taking all the bad points, and saying “nothing to do with culture!!”
    Suggesting the Kennedy assassination isn’t part of your culture, is ridiculous.
    Culture in America 40 years ago was much more racist, much more sexist, much more homophobic, than it is now. Wages were much lower. Advancement in technology, in genetics, in health care, in policing, were worse than they are now.

    What are you talking about no morals? Since when? beastiality has always existed. It didn’t suddenly disappear for a few decades in the middle of the 20th Century. What’s wrong with orgies? It isn’t hurting anyone. If people enjoy that, and all the people consent, then what’s the problem? Perhaps less people are as stuck up, less patronising, less self righteous and intolerant now than they were then – you’re just proving that you haven’t changed with the times.

    You cannot use your own life as a reflection on society. Just because you preferred 40 years ago, doesn’t mean it was better back then. It wasn’t. It’s that simple.

  36. Daveth says:

    Futil 1 – 0 Madjewess

  37. maxcade says:

    The riots turned our world upside down. College universities that were anarchist pushed otherwize normal kids into rebelling against their own parents and be seditious against their own nation, it was the beginning of the end. There was nothing ‘right’ about it.
    I think its good the lady above didnt ‘change with the times’
    That shows strength.

    It is amazing to me though, that even she showed you some of that ever-loving ‘tolerence’ after more than a few posts) you didnt ‘tolerate’ her or her feelings.
    A little biased there futile-democracy??
    Why should she change?? That’s what values are.

    No, culture is more racist now, whats the matter with you?? The presidents wife called people racists for not agreeing with her. The presidents pastor practically cursed the white man. The president said that people clung to their guns and religion- so? Why cant YOU understand that people dont have to change with the times?? You dont love freedom, else you would leave people like the lady above just be.

    And Daveth, is wrong, that madlady won that debate hands down in a slam dunk, but there is no tolerence on this Blog of biased opinion, just a mockery of 1/2 of your fellow countrymen.

    My hats off to you madlady. I’m with you.

  38. maxcade says:

    Oh, that was a good question.. Why did we eat chicken on Sunday’s Futile?? Answer that question.

  39. Crooow T. Robot says:

    Freepers, Libertarians and ‘tards! Oh my!

  40. billybob says:

    America needs more mosques…

  41. Daveth says:

    Daveth Says:
    April 18, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Futil 1 – 0 Madjewess

    ^^ this

  42. themadjewess says:

    No, nobody has ‘won’
    People have DIFFERENT beliefs.
    I will stick with mine, tyvm.

  43. justathougt says:

    America is great, America is so great what is so great about America? Bunch of lazy as brainwashed retards always looking for an excuse to blame someone else. Why don’t we compare America to every other industrialized nation on the planet an then talk about the greatness of America. So far as industrialized countries are concerned America is not even in the barrel. Not when it concerns healthcare, poverty, child mortality, education, all diseases that you can think off except maybe AIDS and malaria. So please give me a break if I don’t care about the “parties” fighting over are so called “freedoms” because it does not directly benefit them financially.

    All those dammned politicians have lost their way democrats as well as republicans. I must say Republicans more so recently. They are like the forever bickering divorcing spouses who have lost sight of the fact that this fight is not about who gets the house in Aspen or the townhouse in Manhattan or the summer home in the Hamptons, its about how the children are going to emerge from this without loosing their most imporant health asset, their mental sanity.

    For the last five decades all presidnts of this country have exhibited very strong negative psychological traits ranging from extreme narcissism to just plain egomania and stupidity, supriority complexes which is just a mask for insecurity. They have violated our every freedom but we have never without us saying anything. What doess that about our freedoms being protected? They don’t care! The interesting thing about President Obama is that he at least has an emotional intelligence that has not be seen in a long time and I think this is why he appeals a lot to the common man so it is not so strange that he has high ratings. How his policies play out in the long term is what remains to be seen. He is a constitutional lawyer, to think that he will go as far as taking our guns away from us is an insult to the man’s intelligence. Even if that were possible.

    This whole notion that freedom is is freedom is a farce. Freedom is an illusion for the simple fact we all depend on something and there can be no freedom with dependencies. That is why we have elected officials. The only true form of freedom is complete anarchy or other wise complete isolation. And even then it’s debatable. So while we argue about our freedoms let use give a chance to the elected public officials to at least proove themselves. Reagan had eight years, Clinton had eight years and George W had eight years. It will be interesting to see how Obama’s term or terms play out. As for those senators they have a hundred years in the senate and they keep being bought over buy lobbyist groups and yet we keep electing them. Talk about signing over our freedoms. Aren’t they the most susceptible to “contributions” from lobbyist?

    That being said tonight I will drink to those who have the illussion of freedom and the dellusional who think they can achieve it. God Bless America!

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