Rise of the filth


When we were kids, the police were known by their more mellifluous title of “the filth“. They managed to gain this nickname, by insisting on turning up and supervising any group of teenagers standing around doing nothing. The result was not only a bunch of teenagers standing around doing nothing, but a bunch of police standing around doing nothing, and both groups inherently disliking and mistrusting each other. The difference between the two groups standing around doing nothing, was that the taxpayer didn’t fund teenagers to stand around doing nothing. If public funds were directed more at the kids, maybe we wouldn’t have been so bored we ended up standing around doing nothing, and maybe the police could concentrate on, you know, their job.

As we grow up, we learn to respect the police a little more. You note that they protect your property rights and at times, it must be difficult for them. And, we all love Gene Hunt. We suddenly respect what they do a little more, because we know we’d need their support if our house was broken into. Granted, that support would turn up 45 minutes after the actual brake in, take notes, and then spend the rest of the evening not actually finding your stolen stuff and instead supervising the next generation of bored teenagers in case they light up a spliff; but it’s nice to know they exist. But the respect we have for the police, does not give them the freedom to be vicious thugs.

The Metropolitan Police in London seem to have gained even more reason for the public to refer to them as “filth” recently. They are a formidable force of filth. Whenever they are on TV explaining themselves, I find I am more and more inclined to dismiss everything they say, as a crock of shit.

This tendency toward my absolute dismissal of everything the Met say (so that’s The Met, The CBI, and The IMF), stems entirely from the fact that they are, in fact, a crock of shit. First, the shooting in the head seven times, of Jean Charles de Menezes at Stockwell Tube Station, by the Met, because he looked a bit like a terrorist. Despite an IPCC investigation, which found that not only did the Met kill an unarmed innocent man, in the most violent of ways, but they tried to cover it up. It stated the Met:

made or concurred with inaccurate public statements concerning the circumstances of the death. The alleged inaccurate information included statements that Mr de Menezes had been wearing clothing and behaving in a manner which aroused suspicions.

The Chief of the Met at the time, Sir Ian Blair even tried to suppress an investigation, wishing instead to conduct an internal inquiry. Internal inquiries always clear the party involved. It is the equivalent of being your own judge at your murder trial. You’re not likely to send yourself down. Later, it became known that Metropolitan police surveillance officer codenamed “Owen” had deleted files off his computer, that involved a recording of deputy assistant commissioner Cressida Dick saying that de Menezes was not a threat at all.

The Crown Prosecution Service decided it would not press charges against anyone in the shooting of de Menezes. Shooting an innocent man seven times in the head apparently doesn’t even come under manslaughter.

And then we move onto the infamous G20 protest in London in 2009. The Met used the kettling technique to contain the crowd. A bystander on his way home named Ian Tomlinson had a heart attack and died during the kettle. First, the Met denied they had anything to do with his death. Suddenly, a youtube video appeared, showing PC Simon Harwood hit Ian Tomlinson with a baton, and then push him to the ground with ridiculous force, about a minute before Tomlinson had a heart attack and died. The police do not help him off the ground, instead they stand there, smug, doing nothing. A fellow bystander helps Tomlinson back to his feet.
Again, the Crown Prosecution Service said that they were unable to bring any charges against PC Simon Harwood. Harwood was known to have taken his police number off, and covered his face, to avoid detection. In 2009, a second and third postmortem on Ian Tomlinson revealed that he had died as a result of massive internal bleeding caused by a shock to the abdomen. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to point out that Harwood first hit Tomlinson with a baton, to the abdomen, and then shoved him to the floor…… a pretty closed case.

This is where the Met tend to act like great saviours in a land of crazed Anarchists, just trying to protect us all. They released a statement four hours after Tomlinson had died, stating that the police had noticed a man collapse, and had tried to rush in and help him but were bombarded by missiles from protesters. Those damn protesters. The only problem was, another youtube video surfaced, minutes later, after Tomlinson had collapsed. It shows police surrounded him, but not actually helping. It shows a female protester trying to help and saying “these are the bastards that did it“, and curiously, absolutely no “missiles” at all. This video surfaced just after The Sun, in its vast attempt to insult all protesters whilst masturbating furiously over the wonders of The Met, lead with:

“Man dies as bottles lobbed at rescuers.

POLICE were battered with beer bottles and cans as they desperately tried to save a dying man at the height of the G20 riots in London last night. But when cops struggled through the crowd to reach him, they were pelted with missiles. They finally got to him and set up a cordon as two ambulances rushed to the scene. ”

It’s amazing “journalism“. The Sun appear to have received a press statement from the IPCC, and manufactured a story around it. What is even more amazing, is that Harwood was hired by the Met, even though he had previous disciplinary action taken against him over the past decade. The Met are hiring lunatics.

Skip forward to the Student Protest in London last week.
Alfie Meadows, a Philosophy Student from Middlesex University is found wandering in a dazed state covered in blood, by his Philosophy Professor also at the protest. Meadows had been struck on the head by a police baton, with such force that he required brain surgery. The Met were kettling again at this point, and when the Professor begged them to let him and Alfie out of the kettle, they only allow Meadows to leave….. on his own……. in the middle of London……. needing brain surgery. Despite students and reputable professors from across the Country all claiming the violence started after kettling began, and after several unprovoked horse back charges by police took place, the media and the government still seem intent on keeping quiet on the subject of police brutality, instead choosing to focus their crocodile tears on a bit of paint on Charles’ armoured car.

This monday night, the BBC conducted a shameful interview of a man named Jody McIntyre. They asked him if he’d been throwing rocks at the police and if he were a “revolutionary” attempting to paint him as violent. The reason for this, is a video surfaced showing a Met officer pull Jody McIntyre ……. from his wheelchair…… which he can’t operate without the help of his brother, because of his celebral palsy, and dragged across the street. The BBC interviewer asked him if he’d provoked the attack….. by wheeling toward the police…. the muscular, trained, armed police. The BBC surely shouldn’t be acting as a mouthpiece for the angry right wing who are stuck in a tornado of shouting “omg it’s political correctness gone mad” arguing for “sanity” whenever it suits them, but claiming rather outlandishly that they’re second class citizens whenever someone with slightly darken skin complexion gets a job ahead of them? They aren’t the Daily Mail. Although The Daily Mail took it one step further, by comparing McIntyre to Andy from Little Britain, with the quite insufferable turd Richard Littlejohn stating:

“…he should have kept a safe distance.

Jody Mcintyre is like Andy from Little Britain.
‘Where do you want to go today, Jody?’
‘Riot.’
‘Are you sure? Wouldn’t you rather go to hear Bob Crow speak at the Methodist Central Hall. You like Bob Crow.’
‘Yeah, I know.’
‘So, we’ll go there, eh?’
‘Riot!’
‘Ken Livingstone will be there, too. He’s your favourite.’
‘Riot!’
‘All right, then.’
Five minutes later at the riot . . .
‘Don’t like it.’ ”

Littlejohn apparently thinks disabled people should not stand up for what they believe in, and if they dare to, they apparently shouldn’t complain when police drag them out of their wheelchair.

The Tory Party aren’t exactly the friends of disabled people, what with cutting adult social care funding for those suffering a disability. But Tory Councillor Phil Taylor took it one step further, when, on his blog, he said:

” Although he presents himself as a cerebral palsy victim in a wheelchair he does not mention that by his own account he walked up the 9 stories of stairs of the 30 Millbank building during the student riots of 10th November.”

– How utterly irrelevant. Even if he did an elegant handstand, all the way up the stairs, with a cartwheel finish, into a double somersault….. it still doesn’t justify police dragging a kid from a wheelchair and throwing him into the street.
Taylor posts a quote from McIntyre’s website, in which Taylor highlights certain areas of the text, that in Taylor’s odd opinion, paint a picture of a disabled kid who deserves to be pulled from his wheelchair by The Met. Let’s take the sections of McIntyre’s blog that Taylor highlighted one by one:

The sun was shining on the morning of November 10th, and our blood was boiling.

– Yup. That was the feeling among all 50,000 of us. I was there too. We didn’t go down to show how happy we are with the Coalition. Absolutely no reason to highlight this. Also, John Major, the former Tory Prime Minister, and a man who lost his personality in the 1970s, told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, that Labour’s attacks on Coalition policy……. “makes my blood boil“. The violent bastard. The Met need to be kicking the shit out of the ex Tory PM for that. They can count on Phil Taylor’s support too!

We passed Trafalger Square, and half way down Whitehall found ourselves approaching the main bulk of the demonstration, which had assembled there. It was an endless sea of people, but unfortunately, they had been corralled by police and NUS stewards into one lane of the dual carriageway. Me and Finlay immediately set to work, tearing down the metal barriers which separated the two lanes.

– Good! I’m glad someone did. We were squeezed in. For a guy in a wheelchair, it couldn’t have been easy. Even if he were stood up and walking, it couldn’t have been easy. I moved a barrier twice, to make a bit more space. There was no reason for the divide whatsoever. Taylor wasn’t in the mesh of people being held together like sheep.

A group of 200 followed, including me in my wheelchair, and Finlay pushing at full speed.

– Erm, okay. So he quite likes to go fast. I’d hate to see how angry Taylor gets at the Paralympics. “THEY AREN’T DISABLED!!! THEY’RE GOING TOO FAST TO BE DISABLED!!!” presumably.

We continued down the sixty stone steps at the other end of the Treasury road without so much as a pause for breath. We were on the rampage.

– It’s a figure of speech. He wasn’t literally on a rampage, shooting innocent bystanders (or pushing them over inducing a heart attack). It is a figure of speech, and its a soundbite. Like when Taylor himself refers to a man in his constituency who said “I see broken windows as being totally justified compared with the damage being done to the public sector. This is just the beginning“, as a “Leftie, nutter headbanger“…….. he isn’t literally saying that the man quite likes to bang his head, nor is he even suggesting that the man in question listens to music one might “headbang” to. Figure of speech, Phil. The same sort of figure of speech that he used, when in his latest blog about a rather useless cowboy builder, with the phrase “It took a lot of kicking and screaming from local councillors to get this site sorted out“……. if we are to go by Phil’s new found literal approach to sentences that quite clearly, aren’t meant that way, we must presume that local councillors Taylor is speaking of, literally did kick and scream……. the violent thugs.

It was an epic mission to the top. Nine floors; eighteen flights of stairs. Two friends carried my wheelchair, and I walked.

– Having just spoken to my lovely girlfriend Ashlee about the effects of cerebral palsy (she is a physio at a disabled kids school, and deals with this everyday), she has informed me, after watching the BBC interview herself, that of course McIntyre can walk, but judging from his posture, and the way he spoke and his twitching, he would find it difficult to get too far without help. It would take him a long time to get to where he was heading, he wouldn’t be able to balance himself properly for very long at any one time, and he’d get overly tired very very quickly. So, he should be commended for fighting for what he believes in, at the same time as going through the trouble it must have been to achieve it. But, the fact remains, the police considered it perfectly okay to pull a man from a wheelchair and drag him across the street. Phil Taylor, is a tremendous scrotum. His entire blog is drivel. Right winged, miserable, vicious drivel in which anyone slightly left of Reagan is considered a thug. It is people like Taylor that make me proud to wear the badge of the Left Wing, with pride.

Tory Blogger Guido Fawkes waded in on the subject, stating on his blog:

“Jody Macinytre, radical pro-Palestine supporter and sufferer from cerebral palsy”

– They are his only two attributes apparently. He also isn’t “radical” pro-Palestine supporter, although even if he was, i’m not sure why that’s a bad thing. Fawkes continues:

“However he has revelled in, and incited, violence on his website……”

“Macintyre can’t hide behind his disability when the police treat him like any other violent trespassing thug. It’s called equality…”

– Yes he can. Because he’s disabled. And the police are fully armed, trained guards. And also, because 1) he wasn’t trespassing, and 2) he wasn’t being violent. What a horrible sense of equality Tory bloggers have. Disabled people causing no problems are apparently just as equal as the rest of us causing no problems, in being beaten by the Met. We should all be thankful for that little gem of equality.

The point is, despite the talk of violence from protesters…. the only serious injury, was caused by the police, and the only shameful attack on a disabled man, was caused by police. The media tend to tread carefully with the issue, because criticising an institution like The Met, who they clearly still consider to be a reputable source, could provoke anger amongst right winged commentators like Phil Taylor and Guido Fawkes, who would inevitably refer to the BBC as “left wing” if they dared to criticise the police. The Government keep telling us that the “full force of the law” will come down on violent student protesters, but never mention any such repercussion for Police. The Met are not on a higher moral plateau. They are dangerous, provocative, murdering, violent, lying…………. filth.

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29 Responses to Rise of the filth

  1. Black Order says:

    Futile Democracy – “They are dangerous, provocative, murdering, violent, lying…………. filth”

    Black Order – And that’s an understatement.

    I hate cops, …always have.

    They’re nothing but instruments of violence and coercion for the state.

    Wrong or right, You WILL obey the state’s edicts, …or else.

  2. RGB says:

    I hate cops, …always have.

    Presumably someone trapped alone in a burning car, who hated the police, would refuse their help when no other help was available and prefer to burn?

  3. Even if Gary Glitter offered my help in a burning car when no one else was around and no other help avaiable, i’d take the help. What a silly analogy.

  4. RGB says:

    futiledemocracy

    It is obvious that anyone would accept a helping hand through the car window in a life or death situation however my point is the average police officer (not tactical fire arms units, etc) probably only spends 2% of their time dealing with riots at the behest of the Government and Crown. No they are not perfect.

    I know someone who ‘hated’ the police and authority in general who was pulled from his burning car, he changed his opinion of the police based on the individual police officer who helped him. He was only twenty one at the time.

    Should we vilify a group of individuals who perform various functions?

  5. Dawud says:

    i know you are no friend of radical islam, wouldnt expect you to be with your views which is fair enough,

    but…

    over the past year the Police in Birmingham, Luton, East London and Derby have been going around to community centres, public halls, schools, colleges or anywhere else people might normally hire to hold public meetings and getting islamic study groups and meetings cancelled.

    Often they will do this at the last minute so no alternative arrangements can be made.

    This is obviously well outside the remit of the Police’s powers but no one has said anything to them so they continue and if it is Islam today, the Police will feel free to do the same to others later.

  6. It isn’t just radical Islam; it is the violent cancer of organised religion through its belief in fairy tales in general, that I despise.

    But yes, I agree with your sentiments.

  7. RGB, no. I accept that actually, the majority of police officers are not utter scum. But the institution of the Met, and the general overlooking of awful incidents of police brutality, is.

  8. Also, Dawud, I don’t particularly want people like you commenting on my blog. It makes me feel physically ill, that you visit it at all. I find you to be a vicious little parasite. You’re the Islamic version of the EDL. Thoughtless and thuggish. A decent society, should not be subjected to the likes of people like you, and your hollow cries of victim. There is nothing British about you. You are despicable.

  9. Black Flag says:

    No one can find a safe way out for himself if society is sweeping towards destruction.

    Therefore everyone, in his own interests, must thrust himself vigorously into the intellectual battle.

    None can stand aside with unconcern; the interests of everyone hang on the result.

    Whether he chooses or not, every man is drawn into the great historical struggle, the decisive battle into which our epoch has plunged us.”

    -Ludwig von Mises, from ‘Socialism’

  10. Lets not forget,”our protectors” get trained now to “prevent” civil war reactions from upset citizen realising the mess neoliberalism has created impacting their life.
    I have never understood why the English citizen keep too long too silent considering the amount of surveillance state(this silence made the import of “it works well in the UK!” possible on the continent!).I suggest an epigenetic neo Cromwellian docility to authority abuses “for their best”.

  11. I noticed too the usual euphemism and apologies for acting “a bit wild”.What a missing of authenticity in communication and probably too much privileged nepotism in the media.

  12. Right Thinking says:

    I love the police. Between civilization and the barbarian hoard stand the police. They don’t get paid for what they do…they get paid for what they might have to do.

  13. Barbarian got a bad reputation from some authors of a decadent empire.What “civilization” do we talk about?
    One unable to refrain the greed killing nature and specie, or the one of culture and reflection knowing when it is time to defend deeper values conserving life on earth and the respect due to human? Does the police gets trained to protect the citizen, or trained to protect those who fear the citizen who might understand That postmodern neoliberalism is not truly “civilization”?

  14. Black Flag says:

    antiphonsgarden,

    What “civilization” do we talk about?
    One unable to refrain the greed killing nature and specie, or the one of culture and reflection knowing when it is time to defend deeper values conserving life on earth and the respect due to human?

    Civilization is a human creation and has nothing to do with “other life” on Earth.

    To trade human life -directly or indirectly- for another animal or plant life is anti-human and, thus, anti-civilization.

    Does the police gets trained to protect the citizen, or trained to protect those who fear the citizen who might understand That postmodern neoliberalism is not truly “civilization”?

    The police exist to enforce law on their whim.

    You did not make this law – the government did.

    The police are, therefore, not there to protect YOU but to protect the government.

    Thus, it is not civilized.

  15. Right Thinking says:

    I’m posting comments against my better judgement. This is what I get for responding to an anarchist’s comment on my blog. Well, I guess I can still have some fun in this strange realm. Here we go!

    Wow! You sound like a guy who got too many speeding tickets and drunk driving charge to boot. Hey, you didn’t make the traffic laws, the government did! See what happens when you drive on the left side of the road.

    When I talk about civilization, I’m talking about the United States. I would refer to Europe, but Islam is going to replace you with enlightened Sharia.

    So, help me with this one. Over here in America, we have naughty police too. The only problem is naughty police get prosecuted and their victims reap huge civil rights awards. This creates a big disincentive to be naughty. There are alway a few bad apples in the bunch, but that’s life. The police have a tough job. And lets face, you probably don’t have much courage, so you rant about the ones who do.

    People over here who hate the police are usually folks who break the law i.e. criminals, degenerates, and the occasional anarchist. So Black Flag sounds like he had a few run-ins with the law and probably sustained a nice whack to the head for his bad behavior. Maybe you’ll think twice about spitting in an officer’s face while waving a little red book next time.

    My advice is to immigrate to the United States and continue to act naughty. Over here you can play the police lottery by provoking officers. Just make sure you have a good video feature on your cell phone. There’s nothing a jury loves more than a good police brutality video. Just make sure you edit out the part where you hit the officer over the head with the glass bottle.

    I’d type more but I know you guys have to say your prayers. Don’t forget to face Mecca and kneel! In the mean time, I’m going to raid the big box of Ferrero Rocher that I got for Christmas.

  16. Black Flag says:

    Right Thinking

    I’m posting comments against my better judgement.

    Judge not, least ye be judged.

    Wow! You sound like a guy who got too many speeding tickets and drunk driving charge to boot.

    Speeding tickets – yes, I admit I’ve had waaaay too many.

    Though “drunk” driving is one of the most dumbest laws on the books – and I completely disagree with them – I do not -myself- choose to drive impaired. It would get in the way of my speeding.

    Hey, you didn’t make the traffic laws, the government did! See what happens when you drive on the left side of the road.

    People would get out of the way, no less you walking down the street.

    Did you need a law saying that people can’t run into you while you walk???

    Of course not, funny guy!

    The Law of Mutuality – people do not want to run into you at about the same desire as you do not want to run into them – thus, by spontaneous order people work to avoid each.

    When I talk about civilization, I’m talking about the United States. I would refer to Europe, but Islam is going to replace you with enlightened Sharia.

    Not all of the USA/Europe is civilized – so what part are you referring to?

    The only problem is naughty police get prosecuted and their victims reap huge civil rights awards.

    Really? That is very much an exception. I seem to recall numerous instances where the cop has murdered subdued individuals – who committed no crime – and got away with it.

    Police rarely suffer the full extent of the consequences of their behavior.

    This creates a big disincentive to be naughty.

    Where are you living?

    Police brutality cases is rising, not falling.

    There are alway a few bad apples in the bunch, but that’s life.

    There are more than a few – I would suggest the nature of the job attracts those that are bullies and thugs – so much easier when you have a badge.

    The police have a tough job. And lets face, you probably don’t have much courage, so you rant about the ones who do.

    You are a moron.

    People over here who hate the police are usually folks who break the law i.e. criminals, degenerates, and the occasional anarchist.

    Just to update your poor understanding of so many things, my Dad was a cop.

    There’s nothing a jury loves more than a good police brutality video. Just make sure you edit out the part where you hit the officer over the head with the glass bottle.

    Yes, go back to sleep – the cops are there to protect you, do not worry – at least, half the time, they will find who killed you – if that is a consolation to you.

  17. a “civilization” of disconnected human unable to understand that without caring for the rest of their ecological niche they are bound to extinction, appears slightly uncultivated.

    If the Greek wisdom who had been forgotten in Feudal Europe would not have been preserved in some Library s in Arabic countries,and rediscovered by the European sharing those wisdom open minded, we can have doubts if some country s would have had to opportunity to form a “civilization” based on antic concepts of democracy worth to be defended.

  18. Questioning public servants pretending to be unquestionable authority’s is a democratic MUST!

  19. Corporal punishment should be forbidden in all country’s and not only at school.
    The connection between the early age humiliation and later legitimation of violent trespassing being accepted as long it comes from an authority figure pretending to act ” for their best”, a sense for finger pointing “them, not me!” avoidance, a greed for cathartic revenge of the bigot repression in “legitimate” wars, makes one wonders how much of this concepts of the subordinated citizen under each abusive condition comes from such a structured control obsessed aggressive/fearful mindset projecting on society his own inner dilemma.

    The daily violence of a greed driven speculation and social division will not be perceived by those, who expect some “worth” recognition through such a system. Some “grown up” will never get enough of this eventual recognition” to be a “good child” doing the “right thing!”!.How absurd and devastating the point scoring is!

  20. Black Flag says:

    Anitphonsgarden,

    Corporal punishment should be forbidden in all country’s and not only at school.

    Yet, I’m sure you believe that others have a “right” to steal (by law) under threat of punishment, or should be subject to law like “jaywalking”….

    It is interesting that you merely provide this perspective of violence as it pertains to kids, but cannot conceive of such a perspective to humanity in the whole.

  21. Black Flag says:

    a “civilization” of disconnected human unable to understand that without caring for the rest of their ecological niche they are bound to extinction, appears slightly uncultivated.

    Nonsense.

    Humanity has understood for at least 10,000 that voluntary cooperation is an optimum strategy for prosperity.

    But voluntary disturbs you. You want to be able to steal and punish those that chose not to help YOU upon your demand.

    You want freedom of choice for you but not for others.

    If the Greek wisdom we can have doubts if some country s would have had to opportunity to form a “civilization” based on antic concepts of democracy worth to be defended.

    Nonsense.

    If such knowledge was truly lost totally, no less than it was discovered in the first place, it would be discovered again.

    The only matter is time – but what is time to the Universe?

    The fact is, the Universe rewards reason. Eventually, the reward mechanism of the Universe would guide mankind to voluntary cooperation and away from violence.

    When man finally abandons violence over reason, and embraces reason instead of violence, civilization will expand.

  22. I can see clearly how speculation on resources and global social exploitation is the most dangerous violence possible towards humanity, who might be deadly to our specie .

  23. A 13 time hot air overblown speculation is not human prosperity but a dangerous for all con artist cheat.
    We need decreasing, not more of the same rip off.

  24. Black Flag says:

    Anti

    I can see clearly how speculation on resources and global social exploitation is the most dangerous violence possible towards humanity, who might be deadly to our specie

    So you believe you can attack a man who digs in the dirt for resources that improve your life because you are so confused that you do not understand that for you to live you must act.

    You further infer that you believe mankind is more powerful than nature – a conceit that is incredibly dangerous to our species.

    You are willing to cull huge swaths of mankind to “save” the Earth – something that needs no saving and if it did, is not at all within human power to save.

  25. I doubt that those who speculate with resources are the same who dig in the dirt for resources.
    Improving my life? The resource addiction of some appears higher than of other.
    Talking about confusion….I don’t associate necessary “act” with “abuse”.But hey, do I have to reinforce a weak virility with breast beating noises of subordination of nature under my human will power.No!

    I talk about the human potential and our surviving optimum, who is collaboration/compassion.I know, the earth can do without us,but how far are we going without using truly our brains in an interconnected way?

    You sound terribly nostalgic of some old paradigm.
    But how many success driven angry little boys dreams is mother earth willing to support in patience?

  26. Black Flag says:

    antiphonsgarden

    I doubt that those who speculate with resources are the same who dig in the dirt for resources.

    No, but one needs the other.

    The speculator – as the name implies – gambles money for a chance at a big payoff. If he did not exist, few ventures would ever get going.

    Improving my life? The resource addiction of some appears higher than of other.

    Who are you to judge??

    You appear to have the classic signs of envy – “That guy has got more then me”.

    Be happy with what you have and be happy with your own ambitions to achieve goods and deeds yourself.

    Do not look into my or any other pocket for your happiness.

    I talk about the human potential and our surviving optimum, who is collaboration/compassion.

    That is NOT the optimum, those are consequences.

    The optimum is cooperation and freedom – without freedom to chose, you cannot chose to be compassionate or to collaborate (or not).

    Freedom is measured by the power to say no – and thus, gives the power to say yes, too.

    I know, the earth can do without us,but how far are we going without using truly our brains in an interconnected way?

    As far as A man is free to choose.

    You sound terribly nostalgic of some old paradigm.

    That’s a new one!

    My paradigm is the future, yours I’m afraid is the one that is evaporating.

    But how many success driven angry little boys dreams is mother earth willing to support in patience?

    An infinity of them.

  27. Are you for real, or simply acting out a cliché?

    To reassure you, I suppose my background allowed me to make some more thoughtful choice than the one who seem to limit and define you.You sound very much “up climber”wannabe to me who let some “privileges” behind me, and you still don’t have understand that the real luxury in life is the inner freedom.

    Cooperation between those who get exploited and those who exploit.How free is that?

    I don’t think that I can serve your purposes of petit bourgeois pompousness in any way, so I wish your more substance and us all, less of the same evil.

  28. Black Flag says:

    antiphonsgarden

    Are you for real, or simply acting out a cliché?

    Are you obtuse, or is it genetic?

    To reassure you, I suppose my background allowed me to make some more thoughtful choice than the one who seem to limit and define you.

    But you are the one who wanted to label me… so how can you possible claim you are the one that is “thoughtful”???

    You sound very much “up climber”wannabe to me who let some “privileges” behind me, and you still don’t have understand that the real luxury in life is the inner freedom.

    I have no interest in you whatsoever.

    Go live and let live.

    I do not demand anything from you – and if I ask, it is for trade.

    You do not understand freedom whatsoever.

    Certainly you are free to live inside yourself, but do not hold any thought that is my limit.

    Cooperation between those who get exploited and those who exploit.How free is that?

    You do not understand the meaning of cooperation whatsoever.

    To you, it is enslavement – thus, you support slavery to enforce cooperation.

  29. It is always a pleasure to be amongst superior minds.

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